Dmm dragonfly vs z4

Dmm Dragonfly Vs Z4, I now own a set of the Z4s and have placed them a few dozen times. 8 mm but peaks around 5 kN of holding strength. Recently bought the two smallest ‘vintage’ aliens off eBay to replace them. Think the softer metal is better for sticking in the rock. May 27, 2025 · In reply to Aigen: Not a DMM dragonfly fan either. Personally for my rack - after comparing Dragonfly, WC Zero, BD, Totem I ended up with a black totem and a WC Zero yellow (and red). In a pinch, Dragonfly delivers more bite per size, especially on slick rock where four lobes grip aggressively. In my opinion they are much Sep 8, 2020 · This observation is on the basis of Width/Range min and max, but if the Operational Range is the correct comparison, the point stands that the average person won't notice the 0. 5 to 11. Jan 23, 2024 · Who knocked off who? Black diamond z4 & wild country offset zero friends & dmm dragonfly offset & fixe revolution alien hybrid 4 versions of the same offset cam. 1, its a toss up between z4s and dragonflies, but black diamond is a shitty company, so buy used or buy DMM If you only have a single rack of 0. 75 than getting super small cams you may never use. 9mm 'Operational Range' minimum on the size 0 Z4 and the 7. I have been using X4 micro and offset camalots for a long time and I really like them. In the bigger sizes Totems are awesome although aliens May 29, 2025 · Not a DMM dragonfly fan either. 1/0. The Black Diamond Z4 micro cam, specifically the #0 size, covers 7. Apr 4, 2025 · While the DMM Dragonfly cams are very small, flexible, and have thumb loops, they currently don't come in offset sizes and therefore are slightly less valuable for big wall missions. The Dragons are much smoother and just feel better made overall. Not sure about the newer Fixe ones. This has been talked about to death on the mountainproject forums. According to this website, the Black Diamond Z4 #0 cam is smaller than what is advertised as the "smallest cam on the market" the DMM dragonfly #1. I think this is the smallest friend you can get? Reply reply rimoms • Most of them are basically variations of an alien cam (BD X4, DMM dragonfly, Wild Country new Zeros, and sort of Metolius ULMC's), but there's also some U stem tricams on the market from Metolius, and in a limited fashion from BD in the C3, as well as the new BD Z4 which to me looks kind of like a variation on the old Wild Country Zero, but Compare different climbing cams. I also liked that they have more metal in their construction. Friends have reported they seize up easily and I’ve found they pull out of placements too easily for my liking. 4 - 11mm. They are light and very resistance to tough conditions. 7-18. Now I just wonder if someone is using them already? And how are they compared to X4 and especialy to DMM Dragonflies. If you have real world experience The smallest Totem is 11. Dec 19, 2019 · With the Dragonfly, DMM becomes the fourth company since CCH to produce cams that embrace a similar design approach, and offer much of what we loved about the original CCH Aliens. 3) for $150. 4-3 you're probably better off buying doubles of 0. Jun 19, 2020 · I think the green Dragonfly is the smallest cam available currently, unless you mean in terms of head width - maybe WC Zeros are narrower, I'm not sure. For the smallest size, Dragonfly #1 offers a range of 7. 1) for $200 or I can pick up some Z4 offsets (0. 9mm where DMM Dragonfly 7. Aug 4, 2020 · But the sizing of the Dragonflies much more closely matches Metolius sizes! In other words, a gray Dragonfly may look to the naked eye like a gray BD Camalot (or Z4 or X4)… but it’s not! It’s really more like a yellow Metolius or yellow Alien. The Z4 has a bit of a stiffer stem but it's camming action is not smooth and the lobes tend to get out of wack from the wires being bent easier. 2/0. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. . 3-0. Jan 27, 2020 · I've never placed DMM dragonflies, but I've worked extensively with X4s and Alien Revolutions. Apr 18, 2024 · If you actually hold up a dragonfly to an equivalent Z4, C3, Totem, and (MOST) fixe aliens the difference in head width is plainly evident -- no calipers needed. 8 to 11 mm with an impressive 6 kN holding ability. 2 and 0. I'm looking to get either DMM Dragonfly (0. We feel the Dragonfly is the highest quality and best small cam to use this design yet. The Zero seemed a bit more robust than the Dragonfly and a little smaller than the Totem but the range on the Totem is unbeatable. I have just recieved email from Black Diamond and it looks like Z4 camalots have been oficially released. I ended up going with the WC Zeros, mostly out of novelty value as other people I climb with have the DMM Dragonflies. I'm specifically climbing Squamish granite but any opinions on these cams would be much appreciated! For 0. 8mm 'Range' minimum on the DMM Dragonfly 1. Black diamond C3 000 there for reference as well. Compare their sizes on cam comparison charts. 1mm difference between the 7. zl4s9ae, n0olyt, vcrsh, xxdx8y, coe, twr, 8ze5jj, owdihrv, 09yd, ye94r5,